How to Decide Which Canon Micro Lence to Buy for Art Reproduction
Good Lens for shooting Big Art Prints
Hello,
I posted the below in another department on this forum and was directed to this section to possibly go information on a lens that may aid. Is at that place a type of lens that is better suited for shooting this type of full frame epitome and achieving really even focus/sharpness across the image. Any info would exist appreciated.
Hullo Forum
New here. I've been in the commercial printing/pre-press manufacture for many years so I have a strong working knowledge of photoshop, camera raw and epitome color correction. My photographer skills are amateur at all-time. We recently landed a new client who wants u.s. to shoot his large original sail paintings to then exist printed and sold commercially. They range in size from 24x18 up to 48x40. Correct at present all I accept is a Catechism T3i with the stock EFS 18-55mm lens. To date the client has been blown abroad with the results of the 24x18 prints we have produced. They take been sharp and the color has been spot on (Later post production in Camera Raw and Photoshop Cs6). He recently brought in ane of the large canvas prints and I am having issues in several areas mainly the focus. I know I will demand a camera that tin can capture more than 18mp going forward in social club to produce such large prints. Really don't want to upward-sample that much. Merely how do I get even focus/sharpness beyond such a large flat surface area. I shoot the images standing upward with the photographic camera on a tripod. I do everything possible to make sure the camera is square and plumb and the painting is perfectly vertical. I shoot using non-directly natural lighting with the images saved in RAW manner on the largest setting. These larger images are out of focus at the edges or uneven/soft in different areas of the prototype. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If a different camera/lens setup is required for this kind of photography please advise. We are ready to brand an investment if necessary. If you think its operator issues I understand and welcome suggestions/critique.
thanks—Trevor
scorrpio • Veteran Member • Posts: 3,595
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Fine art Prints
I suggest EF-South 60mm f/2.viii Macro USM lens.
I prized holding of macro lenses is a very flat field of focus, which makes them peculiarly suitable for shooting artwork.
P.S. what focal length do y'all use on the 18-55? What settings? (Style/ISO/aperture etc)
arty H • Senior Member • Posts: 1,544
Re: Skilful Lens for shooting Large Fine art Prints
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You need a good macro lens for depression distortion and a flat field. The Tokina 35 macro lens was discontinued, merely y'all can get the Canon 50F F2.5 macro. This lens will give you lot abrupt photos beyond the field at F5.half-dozen if you do your function in lining upward the camera and print. The long focal length (on Crop) volition put you further abroad than a shorter lens, but this will give you room for lighting. I would be sure to use the lens skillful and make sure y'all have a skilful tripod and cable release.
arty H • Senior Member • Posts: i,544
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Fine art Prints
Get the Canon 50 F 2.5 macro lens. It volition be just what you need, and volition exist sharp across the field at F5.six or so.
RS_RS • Senior Fellow member • Posts: 1,788
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Art Prints
scorrpio wrote:
I advise EF-Due south 60mm f/two.8 Macro USM lens.
1 prized belongings of macro lenses is a very flat field of focus, which makes them particularly suitable for shooting artwork.
P.S. what focal length do y'all utilise on the 18-55? What settings? (Way/ISO/aperture etc)
That would work well if you tin can dorsum off far enough to get the complete sail in view. My own setup for photographing oil paintings is to use my 5DIII with the 50/two.5 lens. I know this lens has been effectually for a while, and for many purposes it is less convenient than a more modern macro lens, only for copying work it is ideal, and used (as designed) at f/5.half-dozen to f/8 (wide open on this lens is for focusing) it produces really sharp images across the frame.
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Art Prints
Tilt - shift lens + stitching
Canon EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM Canon EF 70-200mm F2.8L IS Ii USM Canon EF lxx-200mm F4L IS USM Catechism EF 24-70mm F2.8L Ii USM Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM +5 more
RS_RS • Senior Member • Posts: 1,788
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Art Prints
Abu Mahendra wrote:
Tilt - shift lens + stitching
Unnecessary and pointless for this purpose.
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Art Prints
I was basically trying to fill the camera's viewfinder with the unabridged painting to accomplish the highest resolution knowing that I was going to have to enlarge it considerably. With that said and my lack of photography skills I shot at a dozen dissimilar F-stops (with remote) trying to give myself a broad enough selection of images to work from to hopefully accomplish good results. Not besides scientific, I know. The image I ended up using was shot at f4.v from a distance of approx. 6-7 feet. Looks like I may have lucked out regarding depth of field unless I'grand reading the reckoner incorrectly. Volition look into some of these suggested lenses.
Can anyone tell me if these canon lenses would be piece of work with a Nikon D800?
- EF-S 60mm f/2.8 Macro USM
- Canon fifty F 2.v macro lens
Re: Proficient Lens for shooting Big Art Prints
Abu Mahendra wrote:
Tilt - shift lens + stitching
Unnecessary and pointless for this purpose.
Really? Howdo yoo propose to get more than 18 MP on the large canvass?
Catechism EF 100mm F2.8L Macro IS USM Canon EF seventy-200mm F2.8L IS Ii USM Canon EF 70-200mm F4L IS USM Canon EF 24-70mm F2.8L II USM Canon EF 40mm f/ii.8 STM +5 more
Mark B. • Forum Pro • Posts: 28,910
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Art Prints
trevor2607 wrote:
I was basically trying to make full the camera's viewfinder with the entire painting to accomplish the highest resolution knowing that I was going to have to enlarge it considerably. With that said and my lack of photography skills I shot at a dozen different F-stops (with remote) trying to requite myself a broad enough pick of images to work from to hopefully achieve good results. Not too scientific, I know. The prototype I ended upward using was shot at f4.5 from a distance of approx. six-7 feet. Looks like I may have lucked out regarding depth of field unless I'1000 reading the reckoner incorrectly. Volition look into some of these suggested lenses.
Can anyone tell me if these catechism lenses would be piece of work with a Nikon D800?
- EF-S 60mm f/two.8 Macro USM
- Canon 50 F 2.5 macro lens
You'd need an adapter; they won't mount directly. More problem than information technology'southward worth IMO. Are there non comparable Nikon lenses?
BAK • Forum Pro • Posts: 25,751
If this was my project...
I would want to work closer than a 50mm lens on a cropped Canon would permit.
That said, a 50 is not far, far, likewise long.
The Catechism f2.v is most a million years old, and has been passed in quality, convenience, and more by the Sigma 50mm f2.8 macro.
If yous have a Nikon total frame camera available, and enough budget, buy the Sigma fifty f2.8 with a Nikon mount, and life will exist good.
If you want to stick with the T3i, look for a 35mm prime number lens, or a good zoom where 35mm is near the middle of the range.
The goal with the zoom is to stay away from the ends of the range.
Accept a look at www.photozone.de for 35mm lenses. My temptation would be the quite new Tamron 24-70mm zoom.
BUT Earlier YOU SPEND.. try the lens you accept, in the 24-40mm range, leaving a few inches of empty space around the edges. Giving upwardly a few pixels is much less important than merely cropping off the typical softness of the edges
BAK
BAK • Forum Pro • Posts: 25,751
Afterwards you try the zoom you already take...
become buy the newish 40mm f2.8 "pancake" lens.
Mike K • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: v,525
Re: Good Lens for shooting Big Art Prints
We recently landed a new client who wants u.s.a. to shoot his large original canvas paintings to and so exist printed and sold commercially. They range in size from 24x18 upward to 48x40.
He recently brought in one of the big sail prints and I am having issues in several areas mainly the focus. I know I will demand a camera that tin can capture more than 18mp going forward in social club to produce such big prints. Actually don't desire to up-sample that much. But how practise I go even focus/sharpness across such a large flat surface area.
As a simpler solution, I would recommend because using a Zeiss f2 Makro Planar lens. Particular, micro contrast, & color are infrequent. Its transmission focus, then use the Live View and five-10X magnification to ensure focus across the motion-picture show. Withal, remember that focus (either AF or MF LV) is done with the aperture wide open, where the depth of field is shallowest.
To gain more than pixels with the same camera you might consider using a Canon 24 TSE f3.5 II lens and doing a flat field stitch as was mentioned in a previous post. This is amidst Canon's finest lenses. Y'all counter shift the camera body as y'all shift the lens (say taking iii shots in portrait orientation) to yield a stitch that has twice every bit many pixels. The flat field stitch is extremely easy in PS. The TSE lens can besides apply tilt to compensate for out of plumb focus, only for your application you will take less distortion if yous exactly middle the camera lens with the subject and photographic camera sensor plane parallel. Simply move the photographic camera forepart to back to change the epitome size.
Mike K
Catechism EOS-1D Mark II Canon EOS 5D Marking II Canon EOS D60 Canon EOS 6D Catechism EF 135mm F2L USM +ix more
Re: Practiced Lens for shooting Big Fine art Prints
I was thinking alee. I may buy a lens upgrade for the T3i only I take my sights assault the Nikon 800 and was wondering if they would be wasted lenses at that point. Non rushing into anything nonetheless. So far we have done 7 prints for the creative person. He is very prolific and wants us to do all of his prints. We'll see. Thanks for your time and advice.
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Fine art Prints
Thank you everyone for the input. I appreciate your time and expertise. Lots to consider. I'm coveting the Nikon 800D for its resolution and I would guess that paired with the right lens this would be an ideal setup for shooting this subject matter. We have a budge budgeted 5k (non yet approved simply working on information technology lol).
Tom-C • Senior Member • Posts: i,363
Re: If this was my project...
BAK wrote:
I would desire to piece of work closer than a 50mm lens on a cropped Canon would allow
I'thousand curious why you call back shut is ameliorate than say, using a 100mm macro lens.
Tom
Catechism EOS 5D Marker IV Canon EOS R5
Paul Amyes • Senior Member • Posts: 1,890
Re: Good Lens for shooting Large Art Prints
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trevor2607 wrote:
Thanks everyone for the input. I appreciate your time and expertise. Lots to consider. I'1000 coveting the Nikon 800D for its resolution and I would approximate that paired with the right lens this would be an platonic setup for shooting this subject matter. We accept a budge approaching 5k (not even so approved just working on it lol).
I've done a lot of this kind or work, in the past with 5x4 or medium format, at present with digital. To get the all-time results I would recommend a standard macro, look for one with a nice long focus throw for using manually. Look at geting a very good tripod and head this makes life so much easier.
By all means wait at the D800 but if yous go that route unless your lens is tiptop notch and your technique spot on you lot may not see any real improvement. This sort of photography is all about attending to detail.
As a final thought depending on the medium your client uses and whether information technology is varnished yous might find the use of a good polarising filter to be beneficial. Varnished oils are a particular bugbear of mine and I oft ask to shoot the prototype earlier the varnish goes on.
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BAK • Forum Pro • Posts: 25,751
Re: If this was my project...
When I shoot artwork -- which is not all that often anymore, but I've done hundreds of projects in thepast -- I find myself looking through the camera, so looking directly at the art, and so back to the camera, dorsum to the art, etc.
And a 50mm lens on a cropped body with a 40x48 inch picture gets me almost-besides-far away for the no-photographic camera view.
Plus, lighting comes into play. When artificial low-cal is used, past experience has shown that I discover it convenient to be able to reach out to the lights without walking very far. If y'all tried to gear up this scene, you might find the same.
A 100mm lens and a 48 10 twoscore subject puts you back into the next room.
BAK
photonius • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: 6,895
Re: Adept Lens for shooting Large Art Prints
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trevor2607 wrote:
I was basically trying to fill the camera's viewfinder with the entire painting to accomplish the highest resolution knowing that I was going to have to overstate information technology considerably. With that said and my lack of photography skills I shot at a dozen different F-stops (with remote) trying to give myself a broad enough selection of images to piece of work from to hopefully reach practiced results. Not too scientific, I know. The image I concluded up using was shot at f4.5 from a distance of approx. 6-7 feet. Looks like I may take lucked out regarding depth of field unless I'm reading the computer incorrectly. Volition look into some of these suggested lenses.
Yous should tell us the focal lengths yous used. Based on the above information, i.eastward. 6-vii anxiety distance, with say a 40 inch canvas, you need a lens that gives at least a viewing angle of thirty degrees. I presume you where using a focal length in the range of around 25-30mm.
In that focal range, your 18-55 IS kit lens will accept not much barrel baloney, so that'due south good for your reproduction requirements. If the edges are not good, you demand to stop down the lens more to say f5.vi, f8.0. - You can exit it at these settings, you don't need to experiment with dissimilar apertures really. While the 18-55 IS is pretty sharp fifty-fifty at edges ( I recommend that y'all look at lens tests sites to await at baloney and sharpness of a lens, e.g., photozone.de), at that place may be some field curvature, i.eastward. a lens may non accept a complete flat aeroplane in which all is in focus. You lot can recoup for that by increasing DOF (i.e. using a scrap smaller apertures, say f5.vi or f8, merely probably not more, otherwise you get into diffraction), and on top, but focusing a little dissimilar, i.e. not focus the center perfectly, but rather the area that is perhaps half-manner between center and edge. Oft field curvature is a curve and be focusing in-betwixt the point where you accept maximal fundamental sharpness, and maximal edge sharpness, y'all can get a compromise.
A further improvement can be achieved by shooting RAW, and and so use the lens correction features of Canon's DPP, i.e yous tin correct for chromatic abnormality (CA), etc. That will help at the edges. I wouldn't necessarily apply baloney correction, that can lead to some loss of resolution at the edges.
Can anyone tell me if these canon lenses would be work with a Nikon D800?
- EF-Southward 60mm f/ii.eight Macro USM
- Catechism 50 F two.five macro lens
Canon lenses will not work on Nikon bodies. Conversely, Nikon lenses will work on Canon with a short glass-less adapter - only in transmission mode but.
These macro lenses would be fine for your smaller samples, but may be too long for the large canvases.
Other excellent (but expensive) lenses are for case the 24 TS tilt shift lens, it also has petty baloney. If the sail is so big, that yous can't even get the camera straight into the heart, the shift selection allows you to correct for the keystone effect.
Having said that, in that location are also 24mm and 28mm normal f2.8 lenses that are not as expensive as the TS lens. The reason I mention these lenses, as too BAK pointed out, 50mm and longer may be besides long for your large canvases, it really depends how much room to step back you have.
And if you want to go with a Nikon D800, you have to purchase Nikon lenses.
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NancyP • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: 6,593
Re: Good Lens for shooting Big Art Prints
Nikon lenses tin can work on Canon cameras with an adapter. Canon lenses cannot work (have infinity focus) on Nikon cameras. Lens mount flange to sensor distance of Catechism, 44mm, of Nikon, 42mm.
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